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Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry => Hogwarts 4 Students => Topic started by: severus4ever on September 23, 2013, 03:15:52 pm

Title: Debate Club
Post by: severus4ever on September 23, 2013, 03:15:52 pm
So this is a debate club,debate about anything and everything you want!
Title: Re: Debate Club
Post by: Mirkprince on September 25, 2013, 01:24:20 am
I'll join... First Debate (this will only make sense if you have read ERAGON): Whether Toads and Frogs are the Same Thing, Angela says they are, and lets be honest, she's the best character in the series ;)!
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Post by: dobby421 on September 25, 2013, 05:17:32 pm
I'll agree,just cause my name happens to be Angela
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Post by: Mirkprince on September 27, 2013, 03:02:17 am
Great, then we're all agreed. Well, that wasn't a very long debate....
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Post by: severus4ever on September 27, 2013, 10:45:35 am
It will be ;) because i never agree with my sister on anything!
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Post by: NimbusSpirit on September 27, 2013, 02:48:41 pm
Ok, Harry Potter debate question: was Draco a good guy or a bad guy in the HP universe? Your thoughts?
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Post by: severus4ever on September 27, 2013, 08:12:08 pm
Thats a hard one for most people,and thats a good topic.Because,many people have different opinions about Draco.For me,its easy.I love Draco to the point where its impossible.He is so cool.And his idiotic actions are sooo Dracoish.And he is also really sweet.He bought time for harry many times,and he also saved his life.He denies seeing Harry,as Harry Potter.He also doesn't have the complete urge for wickedness.He never wanted to even set a trap for Dumbeldore.In all,he is actually one of my fav characters.Btw,nice debate club top,I give you an A for this club.Report Cards come next month ;)
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Post by: NimbusSpirit on September 28, 2013, 02:37:47 pm
I agree. At first I think Draco was jealous of Harry because here he was, Mr. Famous and Popular, and this made him mad because he wanted to be top. I think I read on Pottermore that Lucius pressured Draco into trying to make friends with Harry at furst, which explains how he acts when they properly meet at school and Draco offers him friendship. After that I think he felt burnt and angered by Harry's 'rejection', and this is where his hate-campaign began.

As for later, I think he felt he had to do as Voldemort said because his father could get hurt. I don't think he ever wanted to do as he did, so no, I don't think he was a bad guy personally. More a conflicted anti-hero.
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Post by: severus4ever on September 28, 2013, 06:42:42 pm
Exactly,
people misunderstood him as stupid,cranky,jealous,and a disturbed kid.And as for the pottermire thing,i should post something like that here.
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Post by: Mirkprince on September 30, 2013, 04:01:14 pm
This isn't actually that difficult.
Draco was an antagonist throughout the entire series, JK obviously meant for him to be a bad guy. He was a bad guy, if a slightly unwilling bad guy, we see a slight change in him at the very end of the series. But it was NEVER enough to call him a "good guy". From book one he was always the guy who tried to thwart harry's plans, and was the mean bully also don't forget the minor detail that he supported a murderous fiend, and did everything in his power to assist a dark lord who stood for everything evil.
Title: Re: Debate Club
Post by: NimbusSpirit on October 01, 2013, 10:35:19 am
I still wouldn't call him an antagonist/bad giy though.
He refused to tell Bellatrix who Harry was when they were captured and in Malfoy Manor, despite knowng full well who he was. He never properly physically attacked Harry throughout the series despite his inclination towards disliking him. He may have worked briefly foe the Dark Lord,  however he did so very unwillingly. Does all this really add up to him being under the "bad" category?
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Post by: Mirkprince on October 03, 2013, 12:17:12 am
Yeah it does, he was indirectly responsible for many deaths when he let the death eaters into hogwarts. Remember Draco chose to become a death eater, he is arrogant and extremely supportive of the dark arts. Like I said before, he CHOSE to fight for Voldermort, one little action in support of Harry as a consequence of his conscience isn't going to change that he is a bad guy.
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Post by: NimbusSpirit on October 03, 2013, 10:25:29 am
Well this is all objective. It's certainly undeniable that he cannot be called a good guy. But I still don't believe he was a bad guy as you suggest. He did work for Voldemort, that's unquestionable,  however my interpretation of this was that he didn't do so willingly.  He was urged to because of the mistakes his father made in the Department f Mysteries, not, I believe,  because he genuinely believed in the cause. I don't think he set out to hurt anyone (besides Dumbledore) but even then he really couldn't bring himself to it in the end.
I take this sign of a guilty conscience to suggest that he isn't a bad guy, or a major antagonist,  more of a weak one. I don't believe he falls under either category,  to me he was more of a bystander caught in the middle of his parents' wishes and his own internal thoughts.
However, I understand the point you make. Draco did bad things, and I get that you see this as making him undoubtedly a bad guy. Personally,  I think otherwise, but that is just my opinion on the matter.
Interesting debate nonetheless?
Title: Re: Debate Club
Post by: Mirkprince on October 08, 2013, 01:43:56 am
I see were you are coming from, however, is it not true that from the very beginning Draco did everything he could to hurt Harry, Ron, and Hermione and all their enterprises. I would say that even though he was not completely evil, he still deserves the title of antagonist.
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Post by: NimbusSpirit on October 08, 2013, 07:15:41 am
Oh yeah,  I won't deny he's an antagonist.  That is undeniable as far as I'm concerned.

New question: would you rather be pureblood or muggleborn?
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Post by: severus4ever on October 08, 2013, 03:23:13 pm
A pure-blood preferrably,but I seriously don't mind being muggle-born.for one,I think that aren't as snotty or aren't piled up with ego and pride.They,are also smarter than most wizards,and have a different perspective of the world.They are nicer,and they probably are more useful.But the reason I choose being pure-blood is because of the goals and determination of Draco and Severus :-* ;) :D

And they have a easier life anyways :-\
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Post by: Mirkprince on October 09, 2013, 08:03:21 am
Half-blood.
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Post by: Mad-Eye on October 21, 2013, 06:10:41 pm
Yeah, being half blood would be best; you kind of get the best of both worlds
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Post by: severus4ever on October 21, 2013, 06:13:50 pm
I wouldnt say best ;) I mean if your a wizard,muggles thing your a weirdo,if your part muggle,other witches.wizards look down on you.I think being pure-blood would literally get you the best life.
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Post by: Mad-Eye on October 21, 2013, 06:18:44 pm
Actually thinking about it more, I'd choose to be Muggle born, because you'd have one whole life in the Muggle world, and then a separate life in the wizarding world.
But I still don't think being half blood would be too bad
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Post by: severus4ever on October 21, 2013, 06:27:15 pm
But how'd ya feel when ya get made fun of by the PURE bloods
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Post by: NimbusSpirit on October 22, 2013, 12:35:06 pm
I'd hate to be pure-blood, and if you read carefully you see that they're all actually inbred anyway so that's worrying!

Being Muggleborn would be good to get the best of both worlds, but I don't know if I'm strong enough to deal with the stigma attached to it by some wizards. I'd have to say I'd choose half-blood, though originally that wasn't one of the options in my question but eh who cares?
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Post by: severus4ever on October 22, 2013, 12:37:39 pm
(ikr)

Anyways,next question?Who was the REAL hero during the final War?
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Post by: NimbusSpirit on October 22, 2013, 12:49:11 pm
You'll like me for this Sarah... Snape!

I mean he suffered so much and didn't really get anything in return at all. I mean, Lily dies, he dies, he never actually sees Voldemort be conquered, and he thinks all his work is a waste anyway because as far as he knew Harry would die in the end anyway. But he did it anyway!

He died for the cause, and he could have been caught at any moment so he was clearly incredibly brave. That surely warrants him being the biggest hero, no?
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Post by: amethest on November 06, 2013, 02:48:56 pm
Yeah... all that hard work, down the drain!
Title: Re: Debate Club
Post by: severus4ever on September 17, 2014, 05:31:10 pm
Not really down the drain. His work, if anything, was the action that saved everyone if you look at it. Just because he never knew what he did and how it affected many people doesn't mean that it was down the drain. It just makes it more heroic.
Title: Re: Debate Club
Post by: amethest on September 17, 2014, 06:13:47 pm
you really starting this thing over again?
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Post by: severus4ever on September 18, 2014, 09:20:08 pm
lol why not? Next topic: Dumbledore.

Don't hate me, but I feel like Dumbledore didn't do as much as he could have done. Why didn't he defeat Voldemort when Voldemort was at his weakest? I feel like all the things that have happened could have directly lead up to him. He had the power at that time, and people know Voldemort feared him above all. Dumbledore also knew that Voldemort wasn't dead. But why did he also wait for Harry to grow up to tell him to defeat Voldemort? When Harry grew up, Voldemort was getting to become strong again. That was foolish in my opinion. If he did it because he was still attached to him, I'm going to slam my head against a table. Thousands of people died because of this man!
Title: Re: Debate Club
Post by: amethest on September 21, 2014, 10:07:36 am
Maybe dumbledor was waiting for Harry to get to the right age.
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Post by: severus4ever on September 21, 2014, 04:30:28 pm
Why did he wait for Harry when Dumbledore could have killed Voldemort himself?
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Post by: amethest on September 21, 2014, 04:44:56 pm
Maybe dumbledor couldn't kill voltimort, and had to wait for Harry.
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Post by: severus4ever on September 21, 2014, 04:59:57 pm
I don't think so to be honest.
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Post by: amethest on September 21, 2014, 06:12:54 pm
Well, who knows what was going through his head at the time?